tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post1057978168356976347..comments2023-06-22T07:32:28.491-04:00Comments on Dred Tory: More on that "Hack-Led Apparatus"...Sir Francishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-17521421227903519792008-03-25T21:40:00.000-04:002008-03-25T21:40:00.000-04:00I actually suffered through some kooky windbag blo...<I>I actually suffered through some kooky windbag bloviating in high dudgeon about the mortal wickedness of what he referred to as “sterile sex.”</I><BR/><BR/>Why is it that neo-cons so often provide the most persuasive arguments for that which they ostensibly wish to discredit?Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-6062481902784781012008-03-25T21:07:00.000-04:002008-03-25T21:07:00.000-04:00ATY — Ugh, SoCons are the worst sort of meddlesome...ATY — Ugh, SoCons are the worst sort of meddlesome “social engineers” around. Following one of Ti-Guy’s links over at CC’s place (I should know better) I actually suffered through some kooky windbag bloviating in high dudgeon about the mortal wickedness of what he referred to as “sterile sex.” Not satisfied apparently with repressing homosexuals (an “odious form of sterile sex” according to this twat) some of them now want to control what’s going on in the bedrooms of everyone else as well. Unbelievable. <BR/><BR/>On a related note, I watched an excellent lecture the other night by Chris Hedges speaking at Harvard last year. Very powerful stuff. Maybe I’ll break my “hiatus” again and post it. I find it incredibly hard not to blog, even though I’m busy with other stuff.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-63627631376249724922008-03-25T20:21:00.000-04:002008-03-25T20:21:00.000-04:00LS:Nice to see you here. I like your expression, "...LS:<BR/><BR/>Nice to see you here. I like your expression, "Harper usurpers". I'm tempted to view the current administration as an <I>Interregnum</I>, with all of the Cromwellian implications the term invokes.Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-37719505322596138872008-03-25T20:20:00.000-04:002008-03-25T20:20:00.000-04:00Red: Tories fear mob-rule. Mob-rule meaning the di...Red: <BR/><BR/>Tories fear mob-rule. Mob-rule meaning the dictatorship of the masses. Diversity is destroyed when we all feel the social pressure to conform and mouth the same ludicrous platitudes. <BR/><BR/>I support Civil Unions because same-sex relations have been with us since the Dawn of Time. Make no sense to oppose such things given the reality of its existence. It seems pretty puritan and liberal to me to claim that such policies will destory Western Civililsation. <BR/><BR/>If Gladstone and Mackenzie were alive today, they would be with the Radical Right on this issue. Tories were always a lot more lassez-faire when it came to matters of the boudoir. "School for Scandal" anyone? LOLAeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-91205297255127876802008-03-25T20:12:00.001-04:002008-03-25T20:12:00.001-04:00...to paraphrase Dame Sitwell. Ah, a Sitwell refer...<I>...to paraphrase Dame Sitwell.<BR/> </I><BR/>Ah, a Sitwell reference! Only <I>you</I> could pull that off, RT... :)Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-83005682908047806612008-03-25T20:12:00.000-04:002008-03-25T20:12:00.000-04:00Yes - seemingly - but my iconoclasm is directed at...Yes - seemingly - but my iconoclasm is directed at celebrities, politicians and business leaders. My iconoclasm is directed to the products of modernity. I typically have the greatest respect for The Royal Family, Old Money, and those with a Military lineage. I don't consider many of the latter as products of modernity. <BR/><BR/>As examples, I personally had no problem with the House of Lords or the idea of an appointed Senate.Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-30641126275840656682008-03-25T19:35:00.000-04:002008-03-25T19:35:00.000-04:00SF — Oh, true enough. I just find it to be a somew...SF — Oh, true enough. I just find it to be a somewhat curious paradox, that’s all. Perhaps it has something to do being unafraid of and uninfluenced by the opinions and vagaries of the crowd, to paraphrase Dame Sitwell.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-23534822506454829922008-03-25T19:30:00.000-04:002008-03-25T19:30:00.000-04:00Good to see you back! I had to read through a whol...Good to see you back! I had to read through a whole bunch of comments to see who it is. Good on you, letting the pup have the name.<BR/><BR/>I like being reminded of real Conservatives, so keep at it. I learn a lot from reading you, ATY and RT. It is hard to describe the feelings I have reading you guys, it is warm, like a sense of comfort, a sense that there are people who care. I've voted Liberal for years, but mainly because I see them not making irrevocable changes. I don't get that same warm feeling as often. Contrast that with the great apprehension I feel when thinking about the Harper party. Then I feel very precarious, the feeling like one false move and they come to take you away.<BR/><BR/>I seldom voted for Conservatives, though my dad did on occasion. Generally from where I sat, the Conservatives were the party you would put in when the Liberals need a time out, or even a spanking.<BR/><BR/>In those days, you could vote Conservative with confidence, knowing that they might not do things the same way, but they were sincere, reasonably honest and at the end of their mandate, we would still have a country.<BR/><BR/>Not so with the Harper usurpers. I cannot think of one institution that they have not attacked, and I am concerned that majority power would lead to a banana republic style police state, complete with endless wars, people turned against each other and spying on each other. They want to institute an "I'm all right Jack" society bolstered and maintained by the shrieking stormtroopers that currently are limited to various blogs. In the name of "freedom", they want to dismantle all avenues of public discourse, sell them to their friends and we will have a complete brainwashing system in all media to keep us believing that "everyone else" thinks like them.<BR/><BR/>Welcome back!liberal supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01129945625510633921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-6822665215404676102008-03-25T18:58:00.000-04:002008-03-25T18:58:00.000-04:00There's a certain paradox, wouldn't you say...I'm ...<I>There's a certain paradox, wouldn't you say...</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure about that. A good number of prominent English Tories (perhaps most) have been deeply eccentric, fish-out-of-water characters, whereas the British liberal tradition is comprised of fairly conventional, well-adjusted chaps. Think of the difference between Gladstone and Disraeli, or of John Stuart Mill and Ruskin (or Carlyle).<BR/><BR/>Between them, who was the iconoclast--Addison or Pope? Lloyd George or Churchill? Alexander Mackenzie or Sir John A.?Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-35722810203413550582008-03-25T18:44:00.000-04:002008-03-25T18:44:00.000-04:00Red:Thanks for the Brookings link, by the way--ups...Red:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the Brookings link, by the way--upsetting, and all too predictable.Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-43943833029122966902008-03-25T18:43:00.000-04:002008-03-25T18:43:00.000-04:00There's a certain paradox, wouldn't you say, in a ...There's a certain paradox, wouldn't you say, in a self-described "iconoclast" adhering to a philosophy that venerates tradition and advocates a vigorous defense of what Burke called "the natural order of life"?Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-4457771121322531282008-03-25T18:37:00.000-04:002008-03-25T18:37:00.000-04:00I thought you were just a contrary S.O.B. ;)I thought you were just a contrary S.O.B. ;)Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-3077846265543433782008-03-25T17:58:00.000-04:002008-03-25T17:58:00.000-04:00... and a terrible speed-speller!... and a terrible speed-speller!Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-27757982142839588542008-03-25T17:57:00.000-04:002008-03-25T17:57:00.000-04:00Red: Swimming with the School is something I have ...Red: <BR/><BR/>Swimming with the School is something I have never been very good at. I am a Monrachist-Traditionalist-Progresive-Nationalist-Iconoclast. Chew on that !Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-66779840887750925572008-03-25T17:17:00.000-04:002008-03-25T17:17:00.000-04:00I don’t know that DBT is all that concerned with i...I don’t know that DBT is all that concerned with ideology, or principles for that matter… It seems that politics is for him more of a “sport” thing and backing a particular party somewhat akin to supporting a football club. It’s all about loyalty, allegiance, and being part of the winning team. How ends are achieved is of little consequence, defeating “the enemy” is all-important. There is no “higher purpose” involved. <BR/><BR/>That’s just my impression, of course. The same could be said of any number of people who unconditionally support their party of choice irrespective of its shortcomings or outright failures. There are plenty of such knee-jerk boosters in all parties. Being utterly predictable, they tend to be quite tiresome for the most part.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-87480804238319271592008-03-25T16:47:00.000-04:002008-03-25T16:47:00.000-04:00ATY:You can't teach the unteachable...Oh, I don't ...ATY:<BR/><BR/><I>You can't teach the unteachable...</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, I don't know. DBT hasn't yet convinced me that he's utterly unteachable. I've cracked harder cases. <BR/><BR/>He's a Libra, so he's bound to be <I>flakey</I>, but I'm holding out hope for him... :)Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-15546891020529054202008-03-25T16:37:00.000-04:002008-03-25T16:37:00.000-04:00Ti-Guy:Thanks for stopping by. I'm not sure how of...Ti-Guy:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by. I'm not sure how often I'll manage to up-date, but I'll do my best to ensure that my pebbles have meaningful ripples...Sir Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052750849770350973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-38459180288120820192008-03-25T09:24:00.000-04:002008-03-25T09:24:00.000-04:00DBT: Son ... the POINT that DT is making is that r...DBT: <BR/><BR/>Son ... the POINT that DT is making is that real conservatives do not hold to a policy proposal, or even a law passed, as being a something fixed permanently on the Party's soul. Times change. And as times change, and conditions change, policies need to be revised, revamped, and perhaps even rescinded. <BR/><BR/>FTA is not sarcosanct, or a litmus test on someone's conservative committment. It is merely a policy - one from 1988, and one that has probably proved to be untenable.<BR/><BR/>However, the CPC has elevated it to an article of faith - thus disproving that they are even conservatives. <BR/><BR/>Conservatism - by its very nature - eschews ideology. Do you even understand that cardinal principle? <BR/><BR/>By the way, principle is different than ideology. Do you even understand etymology and semantics?Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-86399856198340125752008-03-25T09:23:00.000-04:002008-03-25T09:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-55967943149954114742008-03-25T09:14:00.001-04:002008-03-25T09:14:00.001-04:00DBT is lurking here?! I think I just vomited in my...DBT is lurking here?! I think I just vomited in my mouth .... <BR/><BR/>You can't teach the unteachable - as it were.<BR/><BR/>The guy only knows the reality he imagines, or has selectively read about.Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-41786031447633581852008-03-25T09:14:00.000-04:002008-03-25T09:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aeneas the Youngerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18235737108817968315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-41980395543850980242008-03-25T09:07:00.000-04:002008-03-25T09:07:00.000-04:00Congratulations on this new blog "Sir Francis." A...Congratulations on this new blog "Sir Francis." A much-needed addition the the mix of political discussion.<BR/><BR/>*re-lurking*...Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-86856562930623284022008-03-25T07:20:00.000-04:002008-03-25T07:20:00.000-04:00"Well, there goes the neighbourhood. ;)"He loves i...<I>"Well, there goes the neighbourhood. ;)"</I><BR/><BR/>He loves it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-3010437568284219552008-03-24T23:02:00.000-04:002008-03-24T23:02:00.000-04:00Well, there goes the neighbourhood. ;)Well, there goes the neighbourhood. ;)Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3260545195755894149.post-76860795195188683832008-03-24T22:12:00.000-04:002008-03-24T22:12:00.000-04:00"Alas, since the FTA was Mulroney's only successfu...<I>"Alas, since the FTA was Mulroney's only successful initiative, his loyalists carry the thing around on their shoulders--as if it were the Ark of the Covenant--to ease the pain of their hero's crashing fall and of his party's annihilation. It is a way of saying, "Despite everything, we won"."</I><BR/><BR/>What about the GST? The elimination of the NEP? There are a heck of a lot more accomplishments then the single one you mention. And I think you know that.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I linked to your site...expect me often..;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com